Hippias first response is: "For be assured, Socrates, if I must speak the truth, a beautiful maiden is beautiful ". But then, nothing could be less sure; if everything was that simple, citizens and politicians would no longer have to quarrel to decide which action was the nicer. Indeed, Eudicus, there are some points in what Hippias was just now saying of Homer, about which I should like to question him. It belongs to the … Excerpt: Socrates Hippias, beautiful and wise, what a long time it is since you have put in at the port of Athens! What you wrote about polymaths you know is interesting - but if, for example, we may agree Ruskin was a polymath, then this might not perhaps apply to him (he also seemed to suffer the same "dizziness" Socrates sometimes said he felt when confounded by the world). In any case, this is not really the question; it is not a question of knowing what is beautiful and what is not, but rather to define beauty and to say what makes beautiful things "beautiful". In short, there is an infinite number of beautiful things besides beautiful girls. The concept of something good in and of itself (if only obliquely) makes its first appearance in this work. Acknowledgement: I have summarized Plato's dialogs (some much more than others) using The Collected Dialogues Bollingen Series Princeton University Press 1961-1989, edited by Edith Hamilton and Huntington Cairns. C. H. Kahn, "The Beautiful and the Genuine," OSAP 3 (1985:261–87) is the lone modern figure maintaining spuriousness. Hippias Major (or What is Beauty? So perhaps the problem is not in polymathy but in the polymath who lacks the classical education, which includes the analytic exercises of Plato and Aristotle. And if Hippias has spent such a large part of his time in Sparta, he asks, this must be where he earned the most? David Sider, Fordham University, reviewing Ivor Ludlam. Sider, David. In logic, a cause and an effect are two different things, as a father is different from the son.  A scene follows, where Socrates shows his fear of the beating with a stick he would receive from his harasser if he had given that answer. Hippias I am too busy, Socrates. Hippias Major, as indicated by the extended opening discussion of Hippias political activities, which sets the stage for Socrates question (281a – 286c). And there is difficulty in qualifying actions as bad or good. James Fieser, Ph.D., and Bradley Dowden, Ph.D., general editors, Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, On the Concept of Irony with Continual Reference to Socrates, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hippias_Major&oldid=992210708, Articles with French-language sources (fr), Wikipedia articles with SELIBR identifiers, Wikipedia articles with SUDOC identifiers, Wikipedia articles with WorldCat-VIAF identifiers, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License, This page was last edited on 4 December 2020, at 02:21. D. R. Sweet in The Roots of Political Philosophy, ed. But inside he would still be ridiculous; thus appropriate and beautiful are not the same. Hippias: I am too busy, Socrates. Grube, who wrote in 1926 and 1927. Socrates then asks him then how he nevertheless had so much success in this severe city of Laconia. He also was afraid of threats from the aristocrats. Thus embarrassed by this exposure, Socrates claims to be delighted that finally one as competent as Hippias will be able to provide his opinion on the nature of beauty. Hippias suggests that appropriateness provides at the same time the reality and the appearance of beauty.